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I HAVE SO MANY FEELS, YOU GUYS. It exceeded my already very high expectations. It did everything right with POC and women characters. Just asdfghjkl;!!!!!!!!!!1

So this is pretty much the movie I was hoping for; literally the only way it could have been better was to add another hour or two for Steve and Sam to get coffee and talk about things and for Steve and Bucky to kiss and for Hawkeye to have shown up to give Natasha a hug and maybe for Nick Fury to have called Peggy Mom.

*deep breath*

Okay. The Peggy scene. OH MY GOD. It hit all of the emotions right where they needed to be and it was beautiful and MCU Steve continues to be the absolute sweetheart we fic-writers want him to be. There's a small clip of Peggy in the 50s talking about her husband being one of the Howling Commandos; they don't mention which one but we can probably assume it's Gabe Jones per canon. (The photos of her with white children could come from a previous marriage or could be nieces and nephews, I dunno.) Mid-conversation with Steve she has an Alzheimers-ey moment where she doesn't realize they've been having a conversation and she's all excited to see Steve again and Steve just rolls with it lovingly and reassuringly and just OH MY GOD.

Sam. SAM. I love that he runs a PTSD support group and Steve GOES even if he only watches. STEVE YOU NEED THIS TOO YOU KNOW YOU DO. I love that he is the immediate kind of support that is a friend and a teammate where if a couple of folks show up at your door you take them in without hesitation. I like that there was clearly hero worship without making it awkward fanboy (ala Avengers Assemble cartoons); it felt very true to the comics. Sam isn't Cap's sidekick, he is his brother-in-arms. YES YES YES.

Natasha! And an unexpected amount of Maria Hill!!!! I love that Nat basically acts like Steve's big sister half the time and is trying to find him a nice girl. (I like that it is Sharon, and I like that they introduced Sharon as an agent and kept her that way, and didn't try to force a romance plot.) I like that Maria Hill is there as an unequivocal good guy who on par with Fury, trusts him, and--unlike both the comics and cartoons--is for real his right hand woman. (I feel like that there's a fic in that, that she's his hand and Coulson is his eye.)

I really, REALLY love that when it comes down to it, when you have five main good guys, two of them are African-Americans and two of them are women. I also like that one of the dramatic scenes has Nick Fury taking out the corrupt senator, because how often do we get cinematic moments in which the black dude takes out the evil white dude? Really??

Sideways I also like that when there's the requisite talk about "The Greatest Generation" it acknowledges they were not perfect.)

The Winter Soldier as such. I like how they rewrote slightly to make him a Hydra tool that was used by the Soviets and then under Americans. Brubaker's arcs tend to be a little too retro Cold War for me, so this shift really worked, I thought. I also think it gave them the opportunity to nix any problematic Russian content they could have run into overseas and whatnot (similarly, though I have mixed feelings about this, albeit unseen they stuck to the old white dude president last seen in IM3; I wish they had stuck with the actual pres but can see why they didn't re: politics etc., but still). I like how we got a bonus flashback to pre-Serum Steve and Bucky; SO MUCH SUBTEXT the Steve/Bucky girls are gonna go nuts. I like how it's clear that despite Peggy, Steve's emotional ties are pretty much COMPLETE BUCKY.

Oh! I love the Cap installation at the Smithsonian. I love that Steve goes and there's a little brown boy who is all wide-eyed and Steve puts his finger over his lips cos it's their secret. I AM GONNA WRITE FIC ABOUT THAT MOMENT because it's like, yes, Cap shared a moment with this little kid and it's all about acknowledgement of diversity on multiple levels and just asdfghjkl;. I KNOW IT'S NOT MILES MORALES BUT I FEEL LIKE IT COULD HAVE BEEN OKAY.

I love that the second bonus scene is Bucky/Winter Soldier going there and seeing HIS OWN FACE drawn huge on glass and it's like, yep, he SO knows, like Steve he has to grapple with THIS IMAGE OF HIMSELF in the American consciousness, I WANT TO WRITE THIS FIC TOO BECAUSE I AM A DORK.

I like that there's a throwaway reference to Bruce Banner and Stephen Strange because BROAD UNIVERSE, it makes me happy.

I like that Natasha basically wikileaked everything in the end.

I like that the quote on Fury's "grave" is the same quote used by his character in Pulp Fiction.


I think it's a great movie even if you don't like superheroics and you just want espionage thriller stuff.

ETA: Scott and I were eagle-eying a lot. We're reasonably certain Steve lives somewhere in Bethesda; we're pretty sure the mall scene takes place in Friendship Heights. It's not clear where Sam lives esp with the trees but my vote goes towards somewhere in Silver Spring.


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Apr. 4th, 2014 08:48 pm (UTC)
I don't tend to read as much homoerotic subtext into things as you fangirls do (which I say semi-affectionately, so please don't hunt me down!), but I agree with you regarding the movie hitting all the notes it should. I'm not convinced Fury is a good guy, though; I believe he wants to be one, but I'm not positive he is (which, I suppose, only makes the use of Jules' quote on the tombstone even stronger metatextually). I'd say the same about Natasha, but she wikileaked everything and stayed to take the heat for it, so I have to chalk her up in the good guy column now.

ETA: I posted this once before but for some reason it posted it anonymously.
Apr. 4th, 2014 11:43 pm (UTC)
I think that, basically, Fury and Natasha are Neutral Good. They are doing everything for the big picture, even if they are pretty sketchy at times. I think Steve is Lawful Good, with the special note of, "and sometimes the law is bad and breaks it for good" because Steve.

The best thing about the homoerotic/homosocial context of this movie is Natasha is *constantly* trying to set Steve up, and Steve's like "I only like unobtainable girls and also Bucky." I mean, the whole sequence where he refuses to fight anymore and gets increasingly bloodied by WS is like straight up queer theory with a touch of bonus sadomasochism (I forget what queer theorist was also REALLY into explaining how all m/m fight scenes are really sublimations for sex, but that's really what I kept thinking about there; "huh, sometimes it's not even subtext, it's just text").
Apr. 6th, 2014 04:14 pm (UTC)
Not every fight scene is a sex scene but some are. That was definitely the most blatant sex fight scene since the spar in _Pacific Rim_.
Apr. 6th, 2014 04:30 pm (UTC)
YES. I was actually surprised there wasn't a little post-orgasmic huff at the end.
Apr. 6th, 2014 04:13 pm (UTC)

"the Steve/Bucky girls are gonna go nuts" <-- we did, the Steve/Bucky girls in my viewing group.

(You know that thrill you get when you've written a scene you see in canon, or read one? _samalander totally wrote the museum scene in "Sleep Wake Hope and Then" and I wrote the evening after the Steve/Bucky flashback.)

I love Sam so much. And I love Natasha so much. And I cried with joy to see Peggy. And I love them ALL. And, I have to say, I love this growing plot trend of diverse heroes and villainous White dudes who hearken back to the past.

*rolls around in feels*

PS I love the tombstone too. azephirin joked that Steve and Sam will play Marvin Gaye at their wedding and I joked that Fury will show up in disguise in a jheri curl wig.
Apr. 6th, 2014 04:31 pm (UTC)
OMG the whole Marvin Gaye thing!!!! I half-felt that they wanted to work in "Sexual Healing" but someone was like "we wanna be obvious but not THAT obvious" and so "Troubleman."
Apr. 6th, 2014 07:09 pm (UTC)
Here via Rubynye.

Re your last bit: A lot of the scenery reminded me of Rockville, where I've done a fair bit of walking when crashing with friends.

Also, I love the fact that there are bits between Sam and Steve that are hotter than Natasha kissing Sam on an escalator. (The scenes between Steve and Bucky go without saying.)

And whoever choreographed Falcon flying around the Helicarriers? That person is a genius.

After the stinger, I said to Rubynye, "Bucky is going to be a self-rescuing princess."

Edited at 2014-04-06 07:11 pm (UTC)
Apr. 7th, 2014 07:50 pm (UTC)
OMG "Bucky the self-rescuing princess" I LOVE IT!!

Another DC person agreed with the Rockville ID.

I seriously do love how Sam and Steve's meet-cute is this side of flirty. Maybe it's just how Sam *glows* at Steve, but--yeah. JUST ALL OF THE HEARTS!!!!!!
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