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Listening to Vampire Panel the Nth

Coming to the conclusion that the following are necessary ground rules for civil discussion:

1) If there are books, they need to be read. (This includes Dracula. Like seriously, SO many people cite Stoker without having read him or having read him in a loooooooooong time.)

2) Keep the straight boys outside. They get too pissy otherwise. (sub-thought: Why do straight guys get themselves so worked up? Is it the displacement of traditional norms: popular female writers, female gaze, female community--hell, the concept of female control in popular culture?) For whatever reason, the gay guys are civil and non-derogatory.

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tn_tiger
Apr. 22nd, 2011 03:52 pm (UTC)
Heh. Sadly, they get pissy about being kept outside, too. Especially in fandom. You just can't win somsetimes.
caitri
Apr. 22nd, 2011 05:28 pm (UTC)
Hai guyz, hai! Dude Studiez is across the hall, kthxbai!
ithiliana
Apr. 22nd, 2011 04:04 pm (UTC)
*hee* totally agree!

and i think applicable to many pop culture topics -- vampires, and fan studies.

although i have to say the straight men i know who work with women and/or feminst sf/f authors are v.v.v. different (even when they are younger scholars)

i think that a lot of negative response to twilght is driven by pissy straight boys (which isn't to say a lot of women don't dislike it for good reason, but the overwhelming general public media hate on).

hi i'm in my room typing up notes instead of grading paper!
caitri
Apr. 22nd, 2011 05:27 pm (UTC)
^5 I just got back from lunch and am catching up on lj. ;)
amine_eyes
Apr. 22nd, 2011 07:19 pm (UTC)
Ah Dracula., must read it again :DDD

2) I dunno, I mean I've never really encountered any problem with straight guys in fadom, mostly because I haven't really met any (Oh manliness, why must you think you are threatened by fandom xD) in order to complain - if anything, what they might be doing is the role of a female in 80s Britain - being ballsout and extra RAWR in order to cover the fact that they're the minority.

I'll leave my musings there :)
caitri
Apr. 22nd, 2011 08:46 pm (UTC)
See, straight guy fans aren't the problem, it's the straight guy ACADEMICS--and not even all of them, just the ones who have to wonder in and be all parochial. There was this historian on a round-table this morning who was among the most smug, satisfied individuls I have ever observed, and I have NO idea why he was on there: you could feel him pissing offboth the other panelists AND all the women in the room, and the other guys in there were uncomfortable because they could feel the gendered anger divide too.
amine_eyes
Apr. 22nd, 2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
Hmmm that is annoying, one of those moments where heckling would have come in handy. He probably just got kicks off being a dickhead >_>
caitri
Apr. 22nd, 2011 09:00 pm (UTC)
That's rather what I suspect. There were definitely some comments during his "discussion"--some of which were HEARD by the moderator (another guy, presumably straight) who appeared to sympathize and be entertained but NOT ENOUGH to call the other guy on his dickishness.
amine_eyes
Apr. 22nd, 2011 09:12 pm (UTC)
Jhesu >_>
littlemissgriff
Apr. 23rd, 2011 03:10 am (UTC)
I'm finishing Jim's pants tonight. I will mail him out on Monday. HOPE YOU'RE HAVING FUN.
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